Exeter City

[Silasgoldeen]

Communication doesn't exist with this club, Abee.
Having supporters on the board can work but perhaps we don't always agree ( as we see on Shotsweb!)
From reading, I can understand why BB would work but I often disagreed with Richard ( who seemed to like writing 2000 words when 20 would suffice.) Doesn't make me right either.

What I do know Abee, is we are continually hanging around the relegation zone, with no vision or ideas to grow the club, and I think we will end up as a part time NLS club.

Other clubs seem.to suffer bad times ,Stockport being a prime example who seem to be flying now . We never seem to get these filips and seem to be in permanent struggles .

be interesting to see what turns these things around. Unusually good recruitment? Cup windfalls? Luck? New ownership?

[lowerbourneshot]

Communication doesn't exist with this club, Abee.
Having supporters on the board can work but perhaps we don't always agree ( as we see on Shotsweb!)
From reading, I can understand why BB would work but I often disagreed with Richard ( who seemed to like writing 2000 words when 20 would suffice.) Doesn't make me right either.

What I do know Abee, is we are continually hanging around the relegation zone, with no vision or ideas to grow the club, and I think we will end up as a part time NLS club.

Other clubs seem.to suffer bad times ,Stockport being a prime example who seem to be flying now . We never seem to get these filips and seem to be in permanent struggles .

be interesting to see what turns these things around. Unusually good recruitment? Cup windfalls? Luck? New ownership?

Usually new ownership ,look how many times Southend survived . They seem to be a club on the up ,it just never seems to be us . Look at Lincoln now won the NL had a good cup run and now average good gates . I know it would probably take a multi millionaire to run us successfully, my take on successfull would be league 1 standard for us . I'm not greedy but also a realist would we get 6 to 7k at that level ,I don't think so .

[ShotOnTarget]

Other clubs seem.to suffer bad times ,Stockport being a prime example who seem to be flying now . We never seem to get these filips and seem to be in permanent struggles .

There is an ingrained culture from top to bottom, fans included, that cannot countenance doing things any differently to how they have always been done.

Thankfully it's abated of late but we've had supporters who would claim to be loyal parroting the party line, almost if the perpetual disappointment and frustration is a badge to be worn with pride and the steadfast tolerance of such is the hallmark of the 'true Shots fan'. That mindset simply has to change.

Somehow profound change is needed and lets hope that it's not something that will be nigh impossible to recover from.

[Silasgoldeen]

profound change must mean "someone with more money" mustn't it? I'm guessing that every year they have a budget, think about how to cover any financial shortfall, then hope for the best. Assuming significant money is lost each year the current setup is probably snookered: you can't spend what you don't have, or not too much more, and if you don't spend enough you lose your National League status.

Otherwise you're reliant on some variation on doing more with less. Presumably Tommy's pitch was that as a recruitment expert he'd find value at a good price so they could over-achieve the budget that way.

The modern way to punch above your weight (Brighton and Brentford) is data but I don't imagine that works for finding under-valued assets at this level.

The quality of the loans they brought in have been pretty good, so perhaps more could have been done in that space earlier in the season but at that point Hady Ghandour had scored twice against Forest Green and goals were generally flying in, and they seemed to be favouring a completely different type of defender to the ones they're using now (good!).

So it's hard to know what they think they're going to do. Which again comes back to points around clarity: what is the strategy and how are they going to deliver on it? Or are we existing year-to-year and hoping for a bit of luck along the way?

[brian bloomfield]

profound change must mean "someone with more money" mustn't it? I'm guessing that every year they have a budget, think about how to cover any financial shortfall, then hope for the best. Assuming significant money is lost each year the current setup is probably snookered: you can't spend what you don't have, or not too much more, and if you don't spend enough you lose your National League status.

Otherwise you're reliant on some variation on doing more with less. Presumably Tommy's pitch was that as a recruitment expert he'd find value at a good price so they could over-achieve the budget that way.

The modern way to punch above your weight (Brighton and Brentford) is data but I don't imagine that works for finding under-valued assets at this level.

The quality of the loans they brought in have been pretty good, so perhaps more could have been done in that space earlier in the season but at that point Hady Ghandour had scored twice against Forest Green and goals were generally flying in, and they seemed to be favouring a completely different type of defender to the ones they're using now (good!).

So it's hard to know what they think they're going to do. Which again comes back to points around clarity: what is the strategy and how are they going to deliver on it? Or are we existing year-to-year and hoping for a bit of luck along the way?

When hasn't Aldershot not existed year to year, this is what most clubs do.

There are 1,210,260 shares issued as per the last confirmation statement. A Statement of Capital hasn't been issued for 5 years so we don't know whether any shares have been issued since the last CS01.

I would hazard a good guess that all the shares would need to be bought in order to take over the club. With the outstanding debt/loans etc 1.5m and working capital to reboot, you're talking 3m minimum just to get your foot in the door if everyone plays hardball.

Realistically we need to see the ground built with the current development partners and see where that leaves us. I expect it will be between "In the ***** and badly off"

[ShotOnTarget]

profound change must mean "someone with more money" mustn't it?

That is the type of profound change that has been illusive at the Rec since football has been played there and even the most optimistic must by now realise it's the stuff of delusions. Suggesting that is the only route to profound change is accepting that change is impossible.

For me at least, it means getting the fans on board and creating a journey that is both realistic and is bought into by the majority.

[Silasgoldeen]

profound change must mean "someone with more money" mustn't it? I'm guessing that every year they have a budget, think about how to cover any financial shortfall, then hope for the best. Assuming significant money is lost each year the current setup is probably snookered: you can't spend what you don't have, or not too much more, and if you don't spend enough you lose your National League status.

Otherwise you're reliant on some variation on doing more with less. Presumably Tommy's pitch was that as a recruitment expert he'd find value at a good price so they could over-achieve the budget that way.

The modern way to punch above your weight (Brighton and Brentford) is data but I don't imagine that works for finding under-valued assets at this level.

The quality of the loans they brought in have been pretty good, so perhaps more could have been done in that space earlier in the season but at that point Hady Ghandour had scored twice against Forest Green and goals were generally flying in, and they seemed to be favouring a completely different type of defender to the ones they're using now (good!).

So it's hard to know what they think they're going to do. Which again comes back to points around clarity: what is the strategy and how are they going to deliver on it? Or are we existing year-to-year and hoping for a bit of luck along the way?

When hasn't Aldershot not existed year to year, this is what most clubs do.

There are 1,210,260 shares issued as per the last confirmation statement. A Statement of Capital hasn't been issued for 5 years so we don't know whether any shares have been issued since the last CS01.

I would hazard a good guess that all the shares would need to be bought in order to take over the club. With the outstanding debt/loans etc 1.5m and working capital to reboot, you're talking 3m minimum just to get your foot in the door if everyone plays hardball.

Realistically we need to see the ground built with the current development partners and see where that leaves us. I expect it will be between "In the ***** and badly off"

thanks, interesting.

[Josh]

Communication doesn't exist with this club, Abee.
Having supporters on the board can work but perhaps we don't always agree ( as we see on Shotsweb!)
From reading, I can understand why BB would work but I often disagreed with Richard ( who seemed to like writing 2000 words when 20 would suffice.) Doesn't make me right either.

What I do know Abee, is we are continually hanging around the relegation zone, with no vision or ideas to grow the club, and I think we will end up as a part time NLS club.

Other clubs seem.to suffer bad times ,Stockport being a prime example who seem to be flying now . We never seem to get these filips and seem to be in permanent struggles .

When we have a good cup run it usually speaks trouble.

West Ham 91 - bust 12 months later
Manchester United 11-12 - end of following season relegated and into administration.

We complain when clubs like Crawley, Forest Green and Salford go past us but we do nothing to suggest we should be up there

We are slowly decaying with a bleak future.

[abee]

profound change must mean "someone with more money" mustn't it? I'm guessing that every year they have a budget, think about how to cover any financial shortfall, then hope for the best. Assuming significant money is lost each year the current setup is probably snookered: you can't spend what you don't have, or not too much more, and if you don't spend enough you lose your National League status.

Otherwise you're reliant on some variation on doing more with less. Presumably Tommy's pitch was that as a recruitment expert he'd find value at a good price so they could over-achieve the budget that way.

The modern way to punch above your weight (Brighton and Brentford) is data but I don't imagine that works for finding under-valued assets at this level.

The quality of the loans they brought in have been pretty good, so perhaps more could have been done in that space earlier in the season but at that point Hady Ghandour had scored twice against Forest Green and goals were generally flying in, and they seemed to be favouring a completely different type of defender to the ones they're using now (good!).

So it's hard to know what they think they're going to do. Which again comes back to points around clarity: what is the strategy and how are they going to deliver on it? Or are we existing year-to-year and hoping for a bit of luck along the way?

When hasn't Aldershot not existed year to year, this is what most clubs do.

There are 1,210,260 shares issued as per the last confirmation statement. A Statement of Capital hasn't been issued for 5 years so we don't know whether any shares have been issued since the last CS01.

I would hazard a good guess that all the shares would need to be bought in order to take over the club. With the outstanding debt/loans etc 1.5m and working capital to reboot, you're talking 3m minimum just to get your foot in the door if everyone plays hardball.

Realistically we need to see the ground built with the current development partners and see where that leaves us. I expect it will be between "In the ***** and badly off"

Hi Brian,
On the subject of living year to year Brentford have just published their 2024 accounts and how do you like these apples?

The club is owned 100% by Matthew Benham; nobody else has any monies so I hope he always looks both ways before he crosses the road!!

Some scary stuff and big numbers out there.

Some extracts:-

Operational loss £33.1m partly repaired by £25.2m of player sales for a net loss £7.9m

Borrowings up 60% at £98 Million

Wages at £114 Million

Admin staff alone increased by 30% and now number 142

Overdraft £36m

Directors Pay up from £1.9m to £2.5m

Retail inventory £1.25m

I'm not sure Shahid's magic calculator would have enough noughts if he got Aldershot to the Premier.

[HackJowarth]

profound change must mean "someone with more money" mustn't it? I'm guessing that every year they have a budget, think about how to cover any financial shortfall, then hope for the best. Assuming significant money is lost each year the current setup is probably snookered: you can't spend what you don't have, or not too much more, and if you don't spend enough you lose your National League status.

Otherwise you're reliant on some variation on doing more with less. Presumably Tommy's pitch was that as a recruitment expert he'd find value at a good price so they could over-achieve the budget that way.

The modern way to punch above your weight (Brighton and Brentford) is data but I don't imagine that works for finding under-valued assets at this level.

The quality of the loans they brought in have been pretty good, so perhaps more could have been done in that space earlier in the season but at that point Hady Ghandour had scored twice against Forest Green and goals were generally flying in, and they seemed to be favouring a completely different type of defender to the ones they're using now (good!).

So it's hard to know what they think they're going to do. Which again comes back to points around clarity: what is the strategy and how are they going to deliver on it? Or are we existing year-to-year and hoping for a bit of luck along the way?

When hasn't Aldershot not existed year to year, this is what most clubs do.

There are 1,210,260 shares issued as per the last confirmation statement. A Statement of Capital hasn't been issued for 5 years so we don't know whether any shares have been issued since the last CS01.

I would hazard a good guess that all the shares would need to be bought in order to take over the club. With the outstanding debt/loans etc 1.5m and working capital to reboot, you're talking 3m minimum just to get your foot in the door if everyone plays hardball.

Realistically we need to see the ground built with the current development partners and see where that leaves us. I expect it will be between "In the ***** and badly off"

Next Accounts due by 31st March 2025.